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20 Court Reporters: HARRY RAPAPORT
OWEN M. WICKER
21 United States District Court
Two Uniondale Avenue
22 Uniondale, New York 11553
(516) 485-6558
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24 Proceedings recorded by mechanical stenography, transcript
produced by Computer-Assisted Transcription
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1 M O R N I N G S E S S I O N
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3 THE CLERK: Jury entering.
4 (Whereupon, the jury at this time entered the
5 courtroom.)
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7 W E N D I S P R I N G E R ,
8 called as a witness, having been previously
9 duly sworn, was examined and testified as
10 follows:
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12 THE COURT: Good morning, members of the jury,
13 please be seated. I want to thank you for doing a valiant
14 job and getting here on time almost. Most of you did. I
15 understand that there possibly would be a delay. However,
16 we are getting started in pretty good time considering the
17 weather.
18 You may proceed.
19 MS. SCOTT: Thank you, your Honor.
20 Before I proceed, I would like to just clarify
21 the record on some of the exhibits that we entered into
22 evidence. That long list of exhibits that I read into the
23 record on Tuesday, in addition to the ones which were
24 excluded from that list, there are a few more that need to
25 be excluded. And they are 42-F as in Frank, 44-C, D and
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1 E, Charley, Daniel, Edward; 49-E, F, G, Edward, Frank and
2 George. And 50-E and F. 50 Edward and Frank.
3 In addition to that, your Hon
or, I showed
4 Ms. Springer yesterday a number of exhibits that
5 Ms. Springer described as order forms. There are five in
6 which I misstated the letter of the exhibit following the
7 number, and I would like to clarify that.
8 I called one of them 21-B, as in Boy. It is
9 actually 21-C. 25-B is actually 25-C. 27-B is 27-C.
10 16-B is actually 16-C. And 38-B is 38-C, in fact.
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12 DIRECT EXAMINATION (Cont'd)
13 BY MS. SCOTT:
14 Q Do you recall testifying yesterday about checking
15 people's qualifications before admitted to Sterling Who's
16 Who and Who's Who Worldwide?
17 A Yes.
18 Q Do you remember testifying yesterday you were
19 approximately 22 at the time?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Is that correct?
22 A No, it is not correct.
23 Q How old were you at the time?
24 A 23, going on 24.
25 Q And how much education have you
had at that time?
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1 A I graduated high school.
2 Q Do you recall testifying that Mr. Gordon would have
3 you change titles when the title didn't qualify for
4 memberships?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Can you recall the reason that Mr. Gordon gave you
7 for instructing you to do this?
8 A In the beginning I was instructed that there was
9 going to be -- shall I rephrase it, that there should be
10 business leaders and titles. I guess it distinguishes
11 what a business leader is all about, so you had a cashier,
12 it is not going to look good with presidents, CEO, and
13 CFOs in this Registry. So we would alter the titles in
14 terms of, like I was explaining yesterday, if there was an
15 assistant vice president, they would become an associate
16 vice president.
17 Q Can you describe some of the other types of changes
18 made to people's titles?
19 A Store managers were put down as operations managers,
20 or whatever their expertise would state would be the
21 beginning of their title. If it was operations, for their
22 expertise it would become operations manager.
23 Q Now, can you tell us what -- when these types of
24 people with lesser titles were accepted into the company?
25 A It depended on the membership.
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1 Q What do you mean by that saying it depended on the
2 membership?
3 A Basically it was a lifetime, if one of the
4 salespeople sold a lifetime membership, and sometimes the
5 price of that was as high as $1,200, the person would be
6 included into the Registry.
7 Q How now, you also mentioned, I belie
ve yesterday,
8 that it depended on sales that week; is that correct?
9 A Yes.
10 Q And what did you mean by that?
11 A If the sales were low, and if a person that was at
12 one time not permitted to go into the Registry because of
13 their title, you know, if -- even if it was, let's say, if
14 the person was insistent and say I want it to be listed as
15 manager, and manager only, it would be included into the
16 Registry; when other times if it was say a five-year
17 member, there were times when he would say alter the
18 title.
19 Q What did you mean when you said it depended on the
20 sales that week?
21 A If the sales were low. If the sales were low anyone
22 would be taken.
23 Q Did anyone else instruct you to make these changes?
24 A Yes.
25 Q And who would those people be?
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1 A Under Mr. Gordon's orders, it would be the group
2 leaders at the time.
3 Q And who did those group leaders include?
4 A There was many. One of them is Tara Green Garboski.
5 One was Frank Martin. There was a lot, quite a few.
6 From Sterling and Rob Lombert, L O M B E R T, I
7 think is the spelling and Mike Esposito, I don't know how
8 to spell his last name, but he was known as Mike Powers.
9 I would a lot of time all them on the phone and tell them
10 about members, with respect to the order forms.
11 Q Can you tell us if you know the name that Rob Lombert
12 used as a salesperson?
13 A Rob lamb.
14 Q Can you tell us specifically what Mr. Gordon said an
15 owner of a company should be called if that owner became a
16 member?
17 A They should be the president.
18 Q What reason did Mr. Gordon give
for that?
19 A Anybody can be an owner of anything. So president
20 was more of an upscale title. And that's what he wanted
21 to appear on the Registry.
22 Q And what instructions, if any, did he give you as to
23 what to do, if the customer appeared to be the only
24 employee of their business?
25 A It would become incorporated at the end.
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1 Q What reason, if any did he give for that?
2 A So it wouldn't look like it was just one person
3 operating the company.
4 Q How often were people who were willing to pay money
5 for memberships actually rejected?
6 A I can't think of anyone who was rejected.
7 I can think of a couple, but --
8 Q The times you saw people being rejected, can you tell
9 us what their occupations were?
10 A It had nothing
to do with the occupations. It had to
11 do with the company they worked for.
12 Q What can you tell us about that?
13 A The company was affiliated with a company that he had
14 a previous suit against, or they had had a previous suit
15 against him. The company was Marqui Who's Who. They were
16 a competitor. And at one time, I assume he was going
17 through a CD-ROM, and he came across -- you were able to
18 punch in the name, and it would show you whoever it was
19 that was listed in that company. And I believe the
20 company was Reed Publishing. I am not sure if it was
21 listed as Reed Publishing, but it was a company in New
22 Jersey. But he wanted them and demanded that the orders
23 be pulled. There were probably about eight or nine
24 people. And he had two or three people assigned to it, to
25 figure out why they were let in. And he refunded the
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1 money. He didn't want them to be in the Registry. He
2 wanted them out.
Wtih more than 12,000 pages of trial transcript of this Most Offensive Trial of the Past Ccentury,
the pages have been broken into many smaller pieces.
To continue this fascinating testimony, here is a full version of Feb 5th transcript here
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